i get to that because of the success you have had, sitting on the obama commission. it is quite a fascinating journey. how do you look back at that decision at the time when you can barely speak english to study computer science? >> what is taught me is behind every closed door there is new opportunity. it is like every time life shut the door, it closes on me, high end up doing something else, and it is a new world that opens up for me. i learned in my life's journey many times that when something -- when it looks like there is no work -- no road ahead of you, behind that mountain, there is another road. there is always, if you try, you can always find a path. tavis: give me some key markers down the road, a key moments that happened for you that allowed you to get to this place with geomagic, once you left new mexico. >> first, i met an entrepreneur in city ago. i worked for him while i was studying computer science. then, i took a job at bell labs because it was an iconic company. i took a pay cut from the starting job to the bell labs job to pursue innovation and